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#1 2017-09-05 12:21:40

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Attendance Not Just USM Issue

State was selling 6 dollar tix, and LSU is selling tix to two games for a whopping 27 bucks. A few years ago both were selling out every game.

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#2 2017-09-05 12:56:24

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Re: Attendance Not Just USM Issue

I get that.

What I don't get is that they apparently are no longer counting freebies.... students, band(s), etc towards the announced attendance. All that does is make our weaknesses look even worse. It's the same # of butts in the stands but drops us several spots in the CUSA attendance rankings. Under McG, this game is announced at 26-27k, which is totally unacceptable but it does look better than 22-23k.

I swear, if Gilbert fucks with our baseball attendance numbers .... that's about the only thing this athletic program has left.


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#3 2017-09-05 12:59:09

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Giblet may have underestimated the work required for this job. Billy Mc, for whatever anybody wants to say, was a worker.

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#4 2017-09-05 13:16:30

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Re: Attendance Not Just USM Issue

Special EdD wrote:

Billy Mc was a worker.

Do elaborate.

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#5 2017-09-05 19:10:12

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you have to be rumplestiltskin to not understand the 'why'.....

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#6 2017-09-05 19:14:38

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Billy McG was an idiot.  His lack of leadership was astounding. His aloofness made even Larry Eustacy jealous.  That's the craziest shit I've read on a message board since some of eaglepuss' political ramblings.  Look, McG may have been a nice guy but he was a zero at USM in the grand scheme of things.

As for the attendance numbers, I had sidelines passes for pre-game and I looked all over the place.  I was shocked during the anthem that there may have been 12K in there.  I didn't head up to my seats until after kickoff and there still was no more than 12K in there.  By midway thru the 1st quarter, I'll kiss all your asses if there was 15K in there.  The place was simply not halfway full. Period.  I think they did count band, students, etc. We are fucked!


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#7 2017-09-05 19:50:28

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Re: Attendance Not Just USM Issue

USMstang wrote:

I had sidelines passes and I looked all over the place.

They're right next to the playing field.

Whackjob

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#8 2017-09-05 20:12:41

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USMstang wrote:

Billy McG was an idiot.  His lack of leadership was astounding. His aloofness made even Larry Eustacy jealous.  That's the craziest shit I've read on a message board since some of eaglepuss' political ramblings.  Look, McG may have been a nice guy but he was a zero at USM in the grand scheme of things.

As for the attendance numbers, I had sidelines passes for pre-game and I looked all over the place.  I was shocked during the anthem that there may have been 12K in there.  I didn't head up to my seats until after kickoff and there still was no more than 12K in there.  By midway thru the 1st quarter, I'll kiss all your asses if there was 15K in there.  The place was simply not halfway full. Period.  I think they did count band, students, etc. We are fucked!

yup....but we did get this (which I back 1000% sans logo wink )

rg-empty-lg.jpg

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#9 2017-09-05 20:35:53

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stinkfist wrote:

We did get a $30,000 rendering of another carpetbagger's 40 million dollar pipe dream. 

http://grfx.cstv.com/schools/smis/graph … pty-lg.jpg

Yep

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#10 2017-09-05 20:44:03

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Black Diamond Reb wrote:
stinkfist wrote:

We did get a $30,000 rendering of another carpetbagger's 40 million dollar pipe dream. 

rg-empty-lg.jpg

Yep

lmfao.......

one day I have to toss ya an olde english 40 oz. at a 40 mph clip when whistling down Edwards......

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#11 2017-09-05 23:31:13

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When you are a poor school you don't get a guy from a resource rich school and expect him to fix the problems. Whatever the new AD's name is, he is probably just sitting back waiting for the checks to roll in. God knows you haven't heard shit from him since he got here and as bad as many say McG was at least he had somewhat of a feel for marketing and interaction with the fans. I'd probably still have season tickets if he was around because I may have known what he was selling was a pipe dream but at least it was nice to dream. This new AD doesn't even have that.

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#12 2017-09-05 23:35:54

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Cyc46 wrote:

When you are a poor school you don't get a guy from a resource rich school and expect him to fix the problems. Whatever the new AD's name is, he is probably just sitting back waiting for the checks to roll in. God knows you haven't heard shit from him since he got here and as bad as many say McG was at least he had somewhat of a feel for marketing and interaction with the fans. I'd probably still have season tickets if he was around because I may have known what he was selling was a pipe dream but at least it was nice to dream. This new AD doesn't even have that.

you seem to know a lot about what is going on within the athletic dept. are you a USM graduate with ties to our AD and others?

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#13 2017-09-06 07:38:53

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I have a friend or two who give at a significant level. I get some info from them. The new strategy I hear is to try to cultivate new high level donors. That is great but something we have never done well is mid level donors. I've never understood why we haven't made a big push at that level (1500 to 5k a year). Those are the people that may eventually get to a 10k a year person. You get 20 of those in 5 years at 10k and that is a big boon. I'm getting close (within 10 years) were I am going to have a significant level of yearly disposable income. When I'm 50  both my kids should be out of college (1st kid at 25). My wife and I travel a bit and have a nice middle middle class life. Other than helping the kids get started or some other devastating life event I could go 10k for years at that time and not have it greatly impact my life. I have a lot of buddies who went to USM who will be in a similar position. I get zero out reach from the athletic department because I'm not important today. If I was AD I'd get a list of graduates from say 96 to 06. I'd send them a set of free tickets every few years (even if they are already involved). I'd have a tent setup for them, I'd treat them great. You might get a few to come back and give, and that is great for everyone. I'd sit down and at the beginning of every season I'd send out a facebook twitter etc message about that sports team expectations and I wouldnt be fluff about it. If we were last I'd say we are trying to get to mid level in 3 years and compete for championships in 5 (adjust for actual expectations).

Once I hit those guys I am going after every little guy out there I can. Give 25 you get an EC hat pin. 50 you get a EC hat. 100 for apull over. Make those guys feel special and emphasize how freaking important they are. Promote USM as the great thing it is in our region. I'd have at least one billboard in Memphis MoBile Lafayette oxford Baton Rogue Tuscaloosa auburn and I'd put something like "Eagles we need you for the Sugar Bowl in 2020" and then the number to the ticket office. And if/when our guys/gals call I'd tell them what the fuck our expectations are (to ride this shitty conference like a bitch and get to a New Years Day Bowl and then skip the hell out of town).

But Cyc we po (can't even afford the or) and have limits. Alright those tickets I mentioned earlier are already printed and we can't afford postage so you social media the hell out of it. Here let me help you. Facebook twitter etc. USM alumni who graduated in the fall of 96 give the ticket office a call and get a free pair of tickets and a trip to our athletics tent. And I'd put that damn thing right in the middle of the best tailgating area. I'd use these tickets to fill in the bottom and top middle sections of the stadium not the shitty ends. Give those to the kids (and by no means am I dissing the kids who could come here but this is about money). I'd give the students two sections all their own and encourage the future alumni to come up with great new traditions. I could see a row of kids dressed as mustard buzzards (turn a slight into a strength) have another kid with a flag (make a new flag each year) etc.

Innovation,  ideas, and in most cases  out reach can be free. We don't do any of it. We don't have much if any out reach. Our athletic administration is fat and lazy. I'd be on social media everyday. I'd highlight USM and our tradition everyday on social media and if I didn't have an athletic fact I'd throw out a fact about USM in general to keep people up to date. We got a lot to be proud of and we've been through worse but we sure as hell don't act like we've climbed those mountains before.

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#14 2017-09-06 07:50:15

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Also I know the free tickets/discounts rub some fans wrong. That is why I'd offer them free to everyone in whichever group we are targeting. If you already have season tickets you aren't getting ripped. Also keep in mind that's a fairly large group, we can space that over 5 years (30 games or 10 years). I'd also come up with a pricing strategy that is fair to season ticket holders, nothing ticked me off more when I'd shell out for my season tickets and then at the season paid more than I would have if I just hit the discount ticket sales. Anyways all this is, is an exercise in futility. The new AD isn't really interested in most of us. So there you go.

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#15 2017-09-06 08:19:49

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Season ticket prices need to come way down. Something like $150 lower-deck, $100 upper deck. Possibly go even lower than this. $230 for SUNWACUSA ball is not acceptable.

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#16 2017-09-06 09:45:46

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Cyc, I don't disagree with your post at all. I agree. Our university does not capture the mid and lower level donors that could eventually turn into upper level donors well in athletics nor academics. Great post.


"If you are going to war and if you get to pick first, choose Southern Mississippi. Always choose Southern Mississippi. No matter how hard you fight, these folks will fight harder.”-- Mickey Spagnola

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#17 2017-09-06 10:52:22

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AEIOUSometimesWhy wrote:

Cyc, I don't disagree with your post at all. I agree. Our university does not capture the mid and lower level donors that could eventually turn into upper level donors well in athletics nor academics. Great post.

This!  It's never been a priority.  Probably because they don't know how to do it.  I've made suggestions over the years but none have been followed up.  Ask an Eagle Club member why they joined and how they joined and how they found out.  It's sad.  Most will tell you they needed a better seat and/or parking spot.  They had to ask someone with a good spot how they got it.  Then they had to make a few phone calls in order to join.


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#18 2017-09-06 11:55:58

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USMstang wrote:
AEIOUSometimesWhy wrote:

Cyc, I don't disagree with your post at all. I agree. Our university does not capture the mid and lower level donors that could eventually turn into upper level donors well in athletics nor academics. Great post.

This!  It's never been a priority.  Probably because they don't know how to do it.  I've made suggestions over the years but none have been followed up.  Ask an Eagle Club member why they joined and how they joined and how they found out.  It's sad.  Most will tell you they needed a better seat and/or parking spot.  They had to ask someone with a good spot how they got it.  Then they had to make a few phone calls in order to join.

If it wasn't for the (not highly advertised) recent alumni deal, there's no way that I could have gotten season tickets or joined the eagle club this year. The young alumni deal should be something that's expanded to 5 years post-grad (instead of 3) and advertised as soon as students are notified that they qualify for graduation (and again the week they walk, a month after they walk, and the months leading up to the start of the season). Do a better job explaining the purpose of the Student Alumni Association/Alumni Association so that when students graduate they are galvanized to join. Capture the future mid and upper level donors of tomorrow early. Get them to be supporters of the USM Foundation and USM Athletics immediately through the perks that Cyc suggested earlier. Make it habitual for each donor. Make them feel like what they're giving makes a difference whether that's towards scholarships, saving to upgrade facilities, etc. Check up with each donor yearly and not just to panhandle for money.


"If you are going to war and if you get to pick first, choose Southern Mississippi. Always choose Southern Mississippi. No matter how hard you fight, these folks will fight harder.”-- Mickey Spagnola

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#19 2017-09-06 11:58:10

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problem here is none of you are willing to call and speak to the AD about all of this. you never have, you never will. because you know you don't matter. that and, you're pussies.

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#20 2017-09-06 12:01:11

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you'll come to a stupid message board and vent but not one of you have the balls to go see someone about this face to face. many of you are not alumni anyway. many of you are not season ticket holders, EC, or even go to games. you say you care, but you won't do anything.

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#21 2017-09-06 12:05:03

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southern miss slacker wrote:

you'll come to a stupid message board and vent but not one of you have the balls to go see someone about this face to face. many of you are not alumni anyway. many of you are not season ticket holders, EC, or even go to games. you say you care, but you won't do anything.

Well, what should we do about it then? We've all been beating a dead horse by venting online, so we all get it. We all understand the problems the university faces and what to do next. What do you (or any of us) think our next plan of action or next step should be as USM supporters/alumns/EC members/etc.? (Dead serious, not a dig at you)


"If you are going to war and if you get to pick first, choose Southern Mississippi. Always choose Southern Mississippi. No matter how hard you fight, these folks will fight harder.”-- Mickey Spagnola

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#22 2017-09-06 12:16:47

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AEIOUSometimesWhy wrote:
southern miss slacker wrote:

you'll come to a stupid message board and vent but not one of you have the balls to go see someone about this face to face. many of you are not alumni anyway. many of you are not season ticket holders, EC, or even go to games. you say you care, but you won't do anything.

Well, what should we do about it then? We've all been beating a dead horse by venting online, so we all get it. We all understand the problems the university faces and what to do next. What do you (or any of us) think our next plan of action or next step should be as USM supporters/alumns/EC members/etc.? (Dead serious, not a dig at you)

you send emails to the AD and tell him you ain't giving a dime no more and no season tickets to anything until you see a real effort to fix this shit. you get about 10-15 people to do that and they will stand up and take notice. bitching on a message board about this does nothing. it's just stupid really. you want action? then take action. you weak ass little bitches.

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#23 2017-09-06 12:34:37

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southern miss slacker wrote:
AEIOUSometimesWhy wrote:
southern miss slacker wrote:

you'll come to a stupid message board and vent but not one of you have the balls to go see someone about this face to face. many of you are not alumni anyway. many of you are not season ticket holders, EC, or even go to games. you say you care, but you won't do anything.

Well, what should we do about it then? We've all been beating a dead horse by venting online, so we all get it. We all understand the problems the university faces and what to do next. What do you (or any of us) think our next plan of action or next step should be as USM supporters/alumns/EC members/etc.? (Dead serious, not a dig at you)

you send emails to the AD and tell him you ain't giving a dime no more and no season tickets to anything until you see a real effort to fix this shit. you get about 10-15 people to do that and they will stand up and take notice. bitching on a message board about this does nothing. it's just stupid really. you want action? then take action. you weak ass little bitches.

Enlightening discourse, professor. So basically do what other "more influential" backers do now. No more giving to the university to help fund efforts in fixing the problems so that the university can turn around and fix the problems with less funding given by its "supporters" (also increasing the attendance problem which began this whole thread). You're right, money talks. But hollow, "You fix this or I stop doing this" threats with no offer of a solution is what gave us the Ellis Johnson problem and is what also discourages people from speaking up because, they're not that monetarily influential. 

Now I do agree with one point you made- "bitiching on a message board does nothing.. take action". That is a given. I don't believe that there is any administrator in the nation who goes on to message boards to get the opinion of the constituents. But, if the people on here are able to formulate a good idea or good plan of action written down and organized, get the support of those who are on here (outside of anonymous aliases), get more support from other university backers, present it to the administration/athletics department, then something may happen because more voices are stronger than the one. Threats only work for so long and if you have certain clout (and make you no better than my generation's whining, complaining, and hollow "demands"), organized and defined communicated efforts have more effectiveness to get the desired outcome done. And if that doesn't work, back to the drawing board- but at least we have an organized lobbying effort started.


"If you are going to war and if you get to pick first, choose Southern Mississippi. Always choose Southern Mississippi. No matter how hard you fight, these folks will fight harder.”-- Mickey Spagnola

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#24 2017-09-06 13:08:05

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southern miss slacker wrote:

problem here is none of you are willing to call and speak to the AD about all of this. you never have, you never will. because you know you don't matter. that and, you're pussies.

Way to rally the troops Slacker...nice to assume they too are Slackers!   lol

Giannini didn't care when I spoke to him...he just looked like he needed a nap.  Hammond cared and was very receptive.  He even drove down here on more than one occasion to meet with folks I referred to him.  Billy McG was a waste of fuckin time.  I'm presently working my way thru the chain of command on the new guy.  I'm just not sure if he'll know what to do with the information I provide him any more than McG did.  I'm using a different tactic this go-round since being very direct didn't work last time.  You have to remember that these folks are pretty full of themselves and usually have an elitest mindset along with the fact that they are not from USM so they don't have their finger on the pulse.

As for the others, I do hope you are in contact with someone either at the Eagle Club or ADs office.  It will help if you are an EC member but even if you're not, do make contact.


If it ain't Black & Gold...F it!

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#25 2017-09-06 13:09:03

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"But, if the people on here are able to formulate a good idea or good plan of action written down and organized"

I'll just assume you're new to this group

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