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#1 Re: Southern Miss » To The Top Talk - UAB Recap and La Tech Preview » Today 10:26:44

Ace Barker wrote:
tg300 wrote:
admin wrote:

I put in a public records request after his contract expired and was told by a USM attorney that he didn't have a new contract yet. Since then, Hop go a raise and a bit more money to throw at assistants... enough money to get Dawson close to what the Kentucky severance was paying him if nobody else got a raise (which I doubt).

I can put in another inquiry if people care, but I suspect that he's only making marginally more than Billings is. The question is, who would pay him more? What's his resume? He flopped at Kentucky and then did kind of OK at USM?

Kind of like all the Bower rumors.

He is retired and plans to stay that way no matter how much you may like him to return.



#2 Re: Southern Miss » LFED 1-9. Want him back? LOL » 2018-11-12 16:07:56

99beers wrote:

LFED lost again today to Dook.  Program killer.  Some of the idiots would still want him back. 

Not me.  I want FREEZE! … 124525104/

#3 Re: Southern Miss » Marshall @ USM: the numbers » 2018-11-04 16:20:01

SoMs Eagle wrote:
Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:
B&GBU wrote:

These are the numbers: USM 26 - Marshall 22. Tate didn't cost us the game, that's an improvement. Hope Jack is available to back him up. Play solid D, fair  O, cut out half of the boneheaded mistakes and it'd be just like us to foul things up for them.

Hop already told Tyler Cleveland postgame that as long as Jack is healthy he is getting the ball at UAB. He should...but needs to be on a very short leash with the in one and you are done.

Got to. Just have Brett come in and tell him the name of the game is move the chains. Don’t try to do to much by himself and he’ll be better.

Have the guy with the most int thrown in nfl history
Come in and tell him the name of the game....

#4 Re: Southern Miss » Monday Motivation » 2018-10-29 15:29:50

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

If you need some pick me up today, please enjoy the sack by Cordarro Law at the 3:40 mark......I think he tossed him roughly 8 yards......

You're Welcome......

the duhon block on the johnson td is awesome

#5 Re: Southern Miss » USM @ Charlotte 2018 football game thread » 2018-10-27 18:48:46

Ace Barker wrote:
Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

This team needs to be viewed like our 2014 team. They make a ton of mistakes that cost us points. When you protect the ball you turn a 17-0 deficit on he road into a 3 point game. Don’t like it one bit but this is what we should all expect when you have a freshman squad taking the field against three/four year starters regardless of the name on the opponents helmet. Sucks but not surprised. Whatley did great considering what the score was and how little time was left. He deserves the ball next week since Jack can’t improve on protecting the ball.

Something “simular” to “you’re” comments in response to my question about recruiting.

“Yeah. Actually the junior and sophomore classes were light in the ass because Fedora had recruited to get outta here, and Monken had no choice but to try and win right away after the Ellis debacle.  The classes top heavy because of transfers and JuCo kids.  Jay had to even it up.  Heavy JuCo last year. So far, don’t think have a commit from JuCo kid this year, maybe one.”


Sigh ... bower guys still butt hurt blaming current woes
on fedora....

#6 Re: Southern Miss » CFB Eliminator - this says all you need to know » 2018-10-25 09:35:53

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

UCF also had a couple of sub 30K home games late in the season last year when they were top 20 including a conference matchup. Considering all the facts Sig stated above that should never happen......

I remember a youtube video years ago of two ucf fans traveling to every road game, tailgating, meeting other fans, etc.

The guys were very complimentary of the tailgating experience, the fans hospitality, good food.

Then the game started.... they commented on how quiet the fans were on the west side.  the loudest the stadium got was for a cheer  LOL

#7 Re: Southern Miss » Attendance woes: want your thoughts » 2018-10-24 15:46:21

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:
skyvoyager wrote:

and 3 weeks later 31k in attendance for loserville at Home coming

21K homecoming crowd in 2018......

we were 2-1 when we played memphis,  lost to tenn in the season opener

I forgot about that Tenn game......and I was one of those 108K there. So close......

Yes, we were like #13 for that game against Ragone, the official turning point in our programs history that day.....

Why not a sellout one should ask....

Definitely a turning point.  Cleveland wrote an article about that years ago.

Before that game, bower was 25-2 in the conference and 3 conference titles

after that game 38-20 in the conference with 1 title

#8 Re: Southern Miss » Attendance woes: want your thoughts » 2018-10-24 14:44:15

AndreWhere wrote:

Attendance is definitely down this year and last. NGB is saying it's always been a problem, and it has.

I thought we'd turned the corner in 2011, though. Had a couple of home games with 33,000 announced that year. Opened at home in front of 34,000 in 2012.

Then 2012 happened. Crowds were sparse for a while. The next time we had a winner to pull for was 2015, and by the end of the year home attendance was back to 30,000 and stayed around that number through 2016.

Then the bottom fell out. 22,761 was announced for the Kentucky game. It wasn't just some wackjob Gilbert accounting change, the stadium was empty.

Why? If you're going to quit on USM, wouldn't 2012-2013 be the time to do it? Why start coming to games again, watch a 9-win team and a 7-win team, travel down to the Superdome in large numbers to watch the bowl game, and then quit?

For that matter, why sit out our 2017 home schedule and then go to Shreveport, as so many people must have done? I swear there were more USM fans at that game than at our home opener this year.

Something weird is going on.

great points ... i did not realize the attendance bounced back to ~30K after the e12loss debacle

you are correct the 22k at the ky was brutal

#9 Re: Southern Miss » Attendance woes: want your thoughts » 2018-10-24 12:11:24

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

Heck, I do one even better........we were ranked #21 in 2000 for our home opener, just beat BAMA and Okie St on the road to start the season 2-0 and guess what......30K paid for our home opener against a long standing rival, Memphis. If thats not bad enough, we climb to #17 in the country after our home opener only to have 26K paid for the very next home game the following week....We went up in ranking 4 spots and dropped 4K in attendance!

and 3 weeks later 31k in attendance for loserville at Home coming

21K homecoming crowd in 2018......

we were 2-1 when we played memphis,  lost to tenn in the season opener

#10 Re: Southern Miss » Attendance woes: want your thoughts » 2018-10-24 09:38:38

AndreWhere wrote:

Is it a coincidence that average attendance decreased by more than 5,000 after Gilbert's hiring? Gilbert will tell you that the prior regime didn't count correctly, but my eyes tell me the decrease is 100% real, and it really makes Gilbert seem like he's full of shit.

i think it is a combination of the crowds 'look' smaller since the end zone expansion and the accurate count thingy

#11 Re: Southern Miss » Attendance woes: want your thoughts » 2018-10-24 08:47:00

Mao Tse-gore wrote:

I used to upsize Eagle Club, buy season tickets and travel to home games. That changed because of the 3 leading reasons cited in this poll.

bingo .... eagle club member / season ticket holder since 1986 .....changed for the same reasons you mentioned but ngb called bs on that because in 2004 we only drew 28k to a home opener

again 28k for a home opener in 2004  vs 21k for homecoming this year ..... proves my point

#12 Re: Southern Miss » Attendance woes: want your thoughts » 2018-10-23 13:23:19

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

I'm calling bull$hit on you guys. Its not an opponent thing. If it was you wouldn't have a Hop team taking on Troy in 2016 have a bigger gate than #4 Cal coming to The Rock......hell we had probably more Texas Longhorn fans at that Cal game than true USM fans......  Even a top ranked Boise St didn't even come close to selling out during Fedoras first season.
I was at the HOME OPENER against top 20 Texas AM in 1998.....the debut of our new friggin scoreboard and it wasn't a sellout even though it goes in the books as 33K.....the books lied that day...........and don't tell me about the threat of bad weather because it wasn't there until late in that contest. Hell, two guys were still working on the construction of that scoreboard during the game.

Its not a conference thing. If that were the case you wouldn't have a game against Memphis late in the 2011 "DREAM" season only drawing 26K.........or playing for a conf championship against #10 TCU in 2003 not selling out.

Hell I remember one of the few "honest" almost sellouts we had in the last 25 years was against friggin Northern Illinois........not Illinois, we only had 22K in the stands for Illinois.......I'm talking about Northern Illinois in 1995.

We have ALWAYS had piss poor attendance regardless of who we are playing inside or outside of conference. We are probably at best a 24K per game school all things considered including enrollment, location to other SEC schools and a poor ass city that doesnt support one of its biggest tax bases.
One of the ONLY things Dilbert did right was to get honest with the gate. I've been to games during Bower, Fed, Monken and Hop years. We added 3K in 2008 which essentially just shifted part of the crowd from the sides to the endzone so it looks worse today in comparison but its not.......

You want to try and fix what I said before. Make that endzone rooftop a party deck. Drop down to 4 home games a year and spread them out......two in Sept., one in Oct and one in early November before the break. Add concerts to the mix every home game that people actually recognize. I can get Tone Loc to play for 10K on Black Alumni Discount Weekend......I can get Night Ranger for 7K for 80's Rock Night. I can get The Indigo Girls for LGBTQ Nights for 10K and last I can get Matt and Kim for 15K for Little Millennials Night.......

Random Sampling of Gate:

2018 JSU 29K
2017 Kentucky 22K
2016 Troy 28K
2014 App St 22K
2011 Memphis 26K

P5/Top Ranked Games that were not even close to sellouts:

2010 Kansas
2009 Virginia
2008 #15 Boise St
2006 NC State
2004 #4 Cal 27K
2003 #10 TCU 30K
2002 Illinois 22K

i agree with alot of what you say but ~21,000 at homecoming this year has got to be a pretty low number for homecoming games over the last 20 years

#13 Re: Southern Miss » Attendance woes: want your thoughts » 2018-10-22 07:46:32

AndreWhere wrote:

As recently as the 2016 season, home attendance was significantly better than now. Announced attendance averaged around 29,000, and even though those figures can be gamed, it's clear that there were more people at M.M. Roberts.

I've given some thoughts to the reasons, but I wasn't able to arrive at an opinion as to the relative importance of these reasons. So I'm soliciting your thoughts. Which of these factors do you think have played a major role?

i dont doubt that 29,000 was 'announced' but that seems awfully high... there was ~30,000 at e12loss home opener loss to ecu and maybe ~30,000 ( or less ) during the fedora years

probably the biggest issue is the great divide between the P5 and the rest and the horrible conference we have found ourselves in....

#14 Re: Southern Miss » 5-17 » 2018-10-21 12:38:44

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

I will always believe we would have sucked if he stayed one more 6-6 suck......not 0-12 suck

Seems a bit obvious but the one year fedora had
A good dc at southern miss he won the conference

The one year he had a good dc at nc he went
To the acc championship game....

#15 Re: Southern Miss » Bower or LFed.... » 2018-10-19 15:16:07

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

The Anti-Hop were at it again last night, crying over the missed hire of Blake Anderson with Arky St playing Ga State on ESPN last night. Anyone would have been better than EJ including Blake but do we believe he was a better hire than Monken when round 2 came around? No........

round 2? no but he certainly had a better chance to keep it going instead of the dumpster fire known as pappy buttermilk e12loss

#16 Re: Southern Miss » How Will You Improve USM(SMU) After You Win The Mega Millions........ » 2018-10-19 13:47:52

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

The last $50 million.......$15 goes towards rebranding our name. We will officially be known as Mississippi Southern going forward.........its non don't get any of this without the rebrand.

So would the clarion ledger then call us MSU?

#17 Re: Southern Miss » Bower or LFed.... » 2018-10-18 14:21:51

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

Good read (talks about 93 Pitt game) and very relevant today....... … re-before-

good read but depressing..... that team had no business going 2-8-1

the pitt game was a bad omen for the whole season

#18 Re: Southern Miss » Bower or LFed.... » 2018-10-18 13:18:59

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:
skyvoyager wrote:

Not much tv in those days but 1 of the first big tv games was against Pitt at home on thursday night....TTT loss.

I remember Dr Punch who was the sideline guy for ESPN back in the day talking about how they had to bring in lights in order for the game to be on TV. I also remember that we finally decided to invest in some spray paint and do something in those endzones prior to the Pitt game. With a few rare exceptions that game is one of many that define how Southern Miss simply can never handle success.

Yep espn had to bring in lights...mclellan ( i believe ) had the west upper deck closed off so the east side would fill up and make the stadium look full on tv as the espn cameras were all on the west side.

I was at the game but taped it.  When I re-watched the game, I remember once when coming back from a break the espn announcer said that they were at a sold out stadium...LOL

It did look full on TV but i bet there were only 25/26 thousand there that night.

#19 Re: Southern Miss » Bower or LFed.... » 2018-10-18 10:58:31

Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:
AndreWhere wrote:
Nugget's Ghostbuster wrote:

Why is losing to a 3 win Tulane team better than losing a dominant UNT team? Because UNT isn't a traditional 1A program? Ok.....

That's a big part of it. Also, a defense we thought was pretty damn good gave up 30 points.

It's also a bit depressing that we have to play at places like that so much now, and how poor the crowds are. TV is gone. The overall profile of the program and its ability to serve as an ambassador for USM have been greatly eroded. You make a good case, but sports bars aren't firing up the Rokus on Saturday, and that means we're pretty much screwed in terms of perception.

Almost none of our games back in early Bower days were on TV unless you did pay per view for the Bama game. For the most part you had to go or rely on the radio. Maybe thats not a bad thing.......

Not much tv in those days but 1 of the first big tv games was against Pitt at home on thursday night....TTT loss.

#20 Re: Southern Miss » Bower or LFed.... » 2018-10-18 07:54:52

Ace Barker wrote:

That's what is fun about stats. You can use them however  you want to present your case.


yep like whether or not a coach ever lost to uab determines if the coach was a good coach or not in some peoples mind

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